Annoying parent strikes again

[The following is part of our monthlong series on race, school and education.]

written by Anti-Racist Parent contributor Liana; originally posted at Welcome to the Dollhouse

I think I’m in danger of getting my daughter kicked out of her daycare center for being that mom. And considering it’s a pretty amazing daycare center that she attends, that would be a really sad thing to have happen. But unfortunately I’m just one of those people who can’t seem to let things go. I am Annoying Parent. I wear my cape with pride uncomfortably.

My transformation into Annoying Parent started during her first month at the center with Formulagate, back when she was an infant. Formulagate occurred when I discovered that the center had some wacky (in my opinion) rule about what to do with formula left over from a feeding. Their position was that they would offer her bottle to her twice in a feeding session and if she didn’t drink everything that was in the bottle within that 20-minute interval, they would throw out the remaining formula. Now considering how expensive formula is, I was none too pleased about that rule. Why couldn’t they just put the bottle back into the fridge, I asked, instead of throwing away that which she hadn’t consumed? The answer was something about how the used nipple would contaminate the other bottles in the fridge, to which I was like WTF? That makes no sense! Put the lid back on the bottle and there will be no drama.

“Couldn’t we make an exception here?” I asked sweetly (well as sweetly as Annoying Parent can).

The teachers in the room were willing to make the exception. Yet later that day, the head of the infant section gave me a call at my office. (Little did I realize that my Annoying Parent cape was being shipped at that very moment.) She explained that my request would go against NAEYC regulations and that would not be proper as they are a fully NAEYC accredited center. Yet after I conveyed this message to AdoringHusband, his fingers flew immediately to find the NAEYC regulations online which, in fact, did not show any proscription against saving unconsumed formula in the refrigerator. Of course the Head Teacher gave us the tight jawed smile (more accurately described as a rictus) when we pointed this out to her. Part of my brain said that I should just let the damn formula be thrown down the sink, but I’m just not down with the utter wastefulness of such an action, especially when the rule didn’t make sense. Finally (as I am certain they are used to dealing with parents even more annoying that we two) they were able to propose a compromise where they would pour the unconsumed formula from the bottle that she didn’t finish into a closed container that we brought in daily and took home with us at the end of the day. Formula not wasted and parental drama solved. Annoying Parent took off her cape for a good while.

Then, over a year and a half later, there occurred the another opportunity for an Annoying Parent intervention. In truth, I confess that I had missed the notice on the monthly calendar of activities. But when another parent approached me on the company’s IM system asking if he could run something by me, my Annoying Parent senses had started tingling.

“Did you happen to see this month’s calendar?” he asked, cautiously.

“I think I glanced at it. Why? What’s up?”

“There’s a noon talk at the center scheduled next Tuesday that has me a little concerned. It’s called ‘Chiropracty for Children.”

“Excuse me? Say what now?” I asked, a bit dumbfounded.

“They are bringing a chiropractor in to do a talk about using chiropracty in children and that has me a little concerned. What do you think as a pediatrician?”

“I think that I’ve never seen any data showing that any manipulations are safe in infants and toddlers. You want to take a 10-year-old to a chiropractor, that’s one thing, but babies and toddlers?”

“I’ve tried to talk to the center director about it but since my PhD is in Computer Science, she kinda pats me on the head and assures me that it will be fine. What’s even worse? You should look at the woman’s website.”

“Why? Is it filled with ‘woo?’” I chuckled.

“She’s anti-vaccine,” he whispered.

“Say what?! Um, don’t we develop and manufacture vaccines here?” I was dumbfounded, trying to sort out how a daycare center affiliated with a scientific company that develops and manufactures vaccines, financially supported by that scientific company, whose tuition-paying parents all work for that scientific company, would think that bringing somebody whose position is anti-vaccination in to talk about chiropracty in infants and toddlers is appropriate? Somehow that’s akin to my bringing a giant smoked pig to a Muslim picnic. Something’s just not right about that. Looks like another job for Annoying Parent.

Of course I wanted to handle this in a tactful way and not call up the center director asking, have you lost your natural mind?! Instead, I wrote a very sweet note to the head of the center expressing my concern as a pediatrician about the discussion of chiropracty in infants and toddlers when there really was no scientific literature to support its safety in this age group. I also linked to the anti-vaccine literature on her website expressing my feelings, such as they were, that having someone who represents an anti-vaccine position come speak at our center when, for many of us, much of our time is spent combating anti-vax misinformation, it felt a little like a slap in the face. Sure, I respect their right to invite whomever they see fit to invite to give presentations, but it did feel a bit odd.

Not surprisingly, the nice lady (as my kid likes to call women she doesn’t know) center director gave me a call later that date to discuss my note. The first thing she said was that the title of the talk as listed in the calendar was incorrect. The plan was for her to come and talk about healthy lifestyles for babies and toddlers and not chiropracty. “Cool,” I said pleasantly,”that’s right up my alley as a pediatrician.” I let her know that I did plan to attend to hear what she had to say on the subject and, as they say in my current biz, to provide the balance in the remote possibility of any dissent that might come up based on the differences in our training and experience. I assured her that there was not going to be any mud wrestling or smack down at the daycare center. I’m too classy for that. But I would be present, especially since the first and subsequently a few other parents had requested that I attend.

By now the center director realized that Annoying Parent was front and center, green cape flying. But I’ll bet you dollars to doughnuts that this woman has a PhD in the management of PITA parents. Immediately she thanked me for planning to attend and welcomed my taking time out of my day to do so. Also, she admitted that she hadn’t thought much about the anti-vax position the woman espouses since she had asked her not to address vaccination at all and felt that would be enough. Oookaaay, I thought. I’m cool. No worries. I’ll just bring a nice lunchy-lunch, take a seat in the back, and keep my mouth shut unless confronted with a) a dangerous assertion or b) burning ridiculosity (as was seen on her website).

The day before the Thrilla in Manilla talk, all the parents got a sad little e-mail: the chiropractor had a scheduling conflict and had to cancel the talk. The talk was to be rescheduled later. Yet later has yet to materialize. That would be number two for Annoying Parent.

So then we get to last week. This week has been horrible professionally, personally, and mental health wise. You know those weeks where you think to yourself, if one more thing happens, I’m going to slowly stab myself with this dull letter opener. (You mean, you don’t have weeks where you think about impaling yourself on your letter opener?)

I’m in my office just trying to catch up on my e-mail when I get the weekly center music newsletter that generally barely even registers in my consciousness. Miss Judy, the contracted music teacher they bring in, sends out a nice little note about what the kids have been working on in song/dance. I normally read about 10 words, say how nice, this is so sweet, and move on. This time, however, something got my Annoying Parent senses tingling again. Uh-oh.

Dear Parents,

Our summer “Hello” song starts with the lyrics “Let’s take a trip around the world….” and we have done just that with our summer music classes. We ‘visited’ Germany, Japan, Mexico, England and now Africa. We have learned how children just our age might dress for school, or what type of foods they may eat, or what animals may live around them – all within the songs we have learned. We have also danced some fun and crazy dances from those countries, and learned about interesting instruments they may play that may be similar to our own.

Now why did Miss Judy have to go and pluck my last nerve? How did she know that by violating a peeve so significant to me that I cannot call it a pet peeve, she would call out the forces of Annoying Parent?!

Miss Judy, England, Mexico, Japan and Germany are countries but goddammit to hell, Africa is a freaking continent! Jesus wept! A continent made up of many diverse countries! Why don’t you know that?!

I get so sick of people treating Africa not only as if it is a country and not a continent, but also as if it is one monolithic entity filled with half-naked brown people living in huts in the jungle, carrying spears with bones through their noses. Like that egregiously wrong episode of X-Men Evolution that AdoringHusband was watching the other day.

The upshot of the episode is that Storm was accidentally going to destroy her beloved Africa after being fooled by a shaman…and of course Africa is depicted as huts in the jungle with half-naked brown people running around nearly drowning, thanks to Storm. And all I kept shrieking while watching this madness was, “This is supposed to represent the continent of Africa?!!” Maybe it’s that little country called Africa where the brown, half-naked people live in huts with spears and bones through their noses. Maybe.

Despite my extreme pique, I did have about 5 seconds of internal debate. Should Annoying Parent put on her cape once again or should she let this one go? Is it worth it to give some feedback to Miss Judy through the center director?

As the song says, “If You Don’t Know Me By Now…” I put on my cape. My return e-mail message:

Dear {Center Director}:

Please don’t take this the wrong way and I swear I’m not one of those people who complains about everything, but do you notice that in the music letter this week, all the places that were visited previously were countries while Africa is a continent composed of a diverse group of countries? What dress, food, etc. is supposed to represent all of the continent of Africa? If countries in Europe, North America, and Asia are being separated out, why is Africa treated as one entity? It is no wonder so many Americans think that Africa is a country and not a continent.

Okay, I’ll stop my mini rant now. Thanks for indulging me by reading.

Signed,

The Annoying Parent

I am glad that I couldn’t see the look of dismay and despair that probably came over her face when she noticed that she received another e-mail from me. By now I am totally convinced that the poor lady probably has some Valium, Xanax or a single malt scotch in her desk drawer at work as rescue therapy for attitude adjustment after contact with Annoying Parents. She did, however, reply very sweetly:

Dear Annoying Parent:

Don’t ever hesitate in bringing any concerns to me. Honestly I’m so used to forwarding Miss Judy’s e-mails that I didn’t look at this one very carefully. You’ve pointed out something important. Do you mind if I share your thoughts with her because I think she would appreciate the feedback?

I told her to absolutely feel free. ’Cause if Miss Judy is teaching the kids that Africa is equivalent to England or Japan, I am fearful that my dear Zara is going to end up believing that she can see Russia from her bedroom window. We can’t have that, not when I have an Ivy League education planned for her, of course.

The Annoying Parent’s job is never done.

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Comments

  1. Jeff wrote:

    Ma’am, the cape suits you! Well done!

    Anti-vax Chiropractors from the country of Africa? That pushes my buttons, too. Zara’s sure going places with a mom and dad like you guys!

  2. Beth wrote:

    As a fellow Annoying Parent, I’m right there with you. I was told by my 2nd grader’s teacher that they would be studying other countries like Australia and Africa in the spring. My cape immediately shot out of my sweater, a warm wind whipped my hair, choirs of angels began to sing….. and I swept down to correct the educator’s mistake. I’m convinced she CAN see Russia from her kitchen window.

  3. Yatima wrote:

    You’re my hero. I once wrote off a very well-regarded Montessori preschool because they had a box of toys they called “Arctic animals”, including polar bears, seals, walrus… and penguins.

  4. mama d wrote:

    Well, I rather like this definition of “AP.” Thank you!

    One question, maybe for the group: Aside from the belittling of the African nations, how do you feel about the phrase “some fun and crazy dances”? It struck me as a bit centerist at best. Unless, of course, the writer would also be willing to call the Square Dance “crazy,” which could be the case.

  5. Jo wrote:

    Thanks for this post, I have struggled with many of the same things at our daycare. I never followed up on the formula issue, but was taken aback when I found out how so much is wasted. The over diapering was the other thing, you cant use cloth, because of heath concerns, so you are forced to use the disposable which they would note so proudly that they had changed my kid 9 times while he is in their care. Seriously, 9 times! What kid needs to be changed that many times in 8 hours? Instead of confronting that one, I just choose to switch from Huggies Supreme to the cheapest paper diapers on the market. I did confront the Thanksgiving celebration and representation of Native Americans, but that fell on deaf ears. Its very sad.

  6. Deesha wrote:

    I love this all over again, Liana!

  7. Julia wrote:

    Dear annoying parent,
    What a fantastic post! Thanks so much for writing. I, too, have sometimes been that parent and it’s never a comfortable role.

    I’m glad you raised your concern about Miss Judy’s lessons, because this line also caught my attention:
    “We have also danced some fun and crazy dances from those countries.”
    Fun is okay, but crazy? And why do I have a sinking feeling which, ahem, continent those “crazy” dances may (supposedly) have come from?

    Keep fighting the good fight.

  8. Tonggu Momma wrote:

    As a former Pre-K and kindergarten teacher, just thought I’d share that I have seen much, much, MUCH worse. In fact, I doubt I would have blinked an eye at any of the letters you sent. You brought forth three very legitimate concerns – ones I would have appreciated hearing during my teaching days. (And… for the record… I NEVER would have listed Africa as a country. In my pre-k class, we studied the countries Kenya, Ethiopia, South Africa and Nigeria. And we did so appropriately.)

  9. Mommela wrote:

    It feels like I fight the Africa-is-a-monolithic-culture thing all the time! Fortunately, the September theme at BabyGirl’s wonderful progressive schools is North Africa and they are examining the peoples, industries, cultures, foods, etc. of separate countries–complete with mini passports to show they’ve “been” to different countries and cities!

    You were right to call her on the Africa thing. That just cheeses my toast.

  10. Carmen Van Kerckhove wrote:

    LOL love this post. I can totally see myself become Annoying Parent. :)

  11. Heather wrote:

    Welcome to the Annoying Parent club. We have cards somewhere I think.

  12. Christina wrote:

    That was brilliant! Thank you from the bottom of my AP heart.

  13. atlasien wrote:

    Very funny post!

  14. Heather wrote:

    Wow… okay, I can jive with everything else you’ve said but I am really, really disappointed to see this kind of generalizing about people who may believe something different from you, but pose absolutely zero threat.

    So what if she’s anti-vaccine? Does that mean she’ll indoctrinate your kids if she comes near them? Or give them polio? Or that her personal beliefs have even an iota to do with having a discussion about exercise and good nutrition in a preschool? So what if she’s a chiropractor? Does that mean she’s going to “adjust” your kids because she came in to talk? She has a license – she can’t do that without parental permission. Just because she practices something you dislike doesn’t mean she’s going to assault your kids with it, or that she’s some sort of quack.
    What about her presence is exactly so bad, other than the fact that you don’t like what she believes in?
    I could draw parallels to a recent television boycott based on “I don’t like what he stands for” even though the discussion had nothing to do with it…

    I love this blog – I love all the wonderful things it has to say about expression, tolerance and awareness… and I respect and understand the rest of this post and can jive with being that annoying parent (as I’m sure the flaming I’m about to get will show) but I can’t get through this post without being slapped with the irony. I’m so disappointed.

  15. Liana wrote:

    Everyone,

    Thanks for supporting this Annoying Parent as she makes her way through the early toddler educational system. I fear what I will have become by the time Zara gets to kindergarten. Oh man! To paraphrase The Wonder Pets: This (will be) serious!

    It’s also great to know that I am in such illustrious company. Maybe we need to have AP group meetings to share our tales? We can whip out our capes and regale each other with “you’re not going to believe what they did this time” tales.

    Now about the “fun and crazy dances,” I tried to not get my ire too far up at that one since she said crazy dances for the “countries” (and not just that country of Africa). I wanted to give the benefit of the doubt, but it did jangle.

    Thank you all so much! As you can tell, I loved this post so much, I’ve not written a darn thing since in the ol’ blog. I’ll work on that soon.

  16. Ken wrote:

    Congrats on keeping your cool. I think that if they had tried to have the anti-vax chiropractor talk to my kids, my wife would have had to tie me down and wait for me to stop bleeding out the ears.

  17. Ken wrote:

    And in a related matter, I know someone whose school wanted to bring this person to talk. Yikes!

  18. Super Amanda wrote:

    Great job. When I took the name “Super Amnada” inspired by the Russ Meyer softcore “SuperVixens”, I never knew how handy it would be when I became a mother!

    Honestly, even Matell never put out “African” Barbie. They have Kenyan, Ghanaian, Moroccan and Princess of South Africa Barbies! I’m glad you spoke up.

    As for formula gate, this is why I don’t believe in putting infants in Day Care unless there are absolutely no other options. Too many very personal choices get shared with people outside the family. I feel bad when I have to dump breast milk that’s been out too long and/or gone past the magic four hours at room temp rule. I honestly think your Daycare’s hypersensitivity is because they will have a hard time keeping track of multiple bottles. Its hard enough as a nanny watching one or two kids much less over half a dozen or more. I would let that go after proving they were being unfair.

  19. Clean momma wrote:

    I’m shocked the day care would even *think* about putting a used, slobber covered bottle back into the fridge. The bacteria starts growing inside nipple the minute the baby starts sucking on it, and should be tossed completely if not used up after 30 minutes….so just imagine the colony of bugs that would develop after several hours in the fridge! Don’t they know this is a major health hazard?

  20. Liana wrote:

    Heather, maybe you missed these parts of my posting because I’m not getting where you’re coming from:

    “…expressing my feelings, such as they were, that having someone who represents an anti-vaccine position come speak at our center when, for many of us, much of our time is spent combating anti-vax misinformation, it felt a little like a slap in the face. Sure, I respect their right to invite whomever they see fit to invite to give presentations, but it did feel a bit odd.”

    Where did it say that she couldn’t come and talk or that I was trying to stop the talk?

    Here’s more:

    “I let her know that I did plan to attend to hear what she had to say on the subject and, as they say in my current biz, to provide the balance in the remote possibility of any dissent that might come up based on the differences in our training and experience.”

    “I’ll just bring a nice lunchy-lunch, take a seat in the back, and keep my mouth shut unless confronted with a) a dangerous assertion or b) burning ridiculosity (as was seen on her website).”

    Again, I’m not sure where you saw any pitchforks and torches. I said that I was going to attend the talk, sit in the back, eat my lunch, and keep my pediatric mouth shut unless something was said that was dangerous or non-evidence based. In truth, I think that is a reasonable approach to anyone who comes to give a presentation as an expert.

    And again, it *is* quite a bit odd to bring an anti-vax chiropractor to the day care of a company that develops and manufactures vaccines when one or both parents work for the company and the company provides significant financial support to the center. But I never, ever tried to stop the talk…ever.

  21. Allison wrote:

    good for you, and all of the parents and kids. I have a feeling I’ll turn out something like this as a parent. My kids deserve nothing less.

  22. Andrea wrote:

    Meh. I think you’ve got to pick your battles or people will stop listening to you if you’re too often “that parent.” You seem to have been fairly nice about it, which helps. We’ve run articles on chiropractors who do adjustments on infants, along with quotes from parents who believe it helped the babies. Chiropractic care is fairly popular in North Dakota, maybe more so than in other states. It does require parental permission. Maybe it was something other parents at the daycare wanted to hear about.

    The vaccination battles can get pretty out of hand too, but it is the right of parents in every state to decline vaccines for certain reasons, usually for religious or philosophical objections. That may also have been a viewpoint people at your daycare wanted to hear.

    As for the “fun and crazy” dances, well, “fun and crazy” are usually terms used for entertainment. I’m assuming the kids did have fun.

  23. Montclair Mommy wrote:

    @ Beth: I literally laughed out loud at your post. I had just been reading comments to an article on the Examiner about Pres. Carter’s comments about race SOOOO…lets put it this way: I needed a good laugh.

    I hate having to be AP, but hey someone has to do it! And you do such a dang good job of it too. AP: 3, Annoying People Who Try to Thwart Your Child’s Healthy Development: O.

    Seemingly off topic, but not…has anyone else noticed that their non-white children get more (not so positive) attention from other children on the playground? I have found that whenever I frequent a certain playground (which is mainly white) at least one child follows my toddler around and antagonizes him. It might just be my imagination, but it seems so odd that it has happened more than just a few times. I feel like I have to say something because he can’t, so I did, ie: “please lets be gentle he’s a baby” and “he’s trying to go up the steps, I’m sorry he’s slow but please be patient” and “alright, don’t push, its his turn to slide” and “please don’t touch him”. It took all of my strength to continue to use my powers for good. My cape was about to go from a nice, soothing blue to a mean, evil black…

  24. Liza wrote:

    I think we can replace “Annoying” with “Aware” parent! I too saw that X-Men episode (I live in a house of comic book fanatics) and nearly lost it! Go, Aware Parent!!

  25. Heather wrote:

    (As an unrelated note to my message: it struck me that I wasn’t sure if the context I was using with the word ‘jive’ was racially oriented and/or offensive, because I did recall a few phrases related to it that were.
    I looked it up to be sure (not just the dictionary), couldn’t find anything about it in that context that said it was offensive, but also could not find a single discussion or definition of it the way it was used where I was brought up. [to mean, "I agree" in a sort of, "this agrees with me" way]. However, this doesn’t mean it isn’t. So, I humbly say that if I could edit my post to replace it, I would).

  26. Katie wrote:

    I’m sure you’re daughter is past the formula stage, but as a former daycare employee, and life-long hater of wasting food, I have an idea for you with formula-gate.

    As Clean Momma pointed out, bacteria grows in the bottle once it’s been sucked on, and it is a health hazard. Most states have extensive rules daycare centers must follow, and I suspect that the director meant she couldn’t do it because it was against the health department or daycare licensing agency’s rules, not NAEYC. NAEYC standards have more to do with curriculum, class sizes, teacher qualifications, etc. But even centers that aren’t NAEYC accredited have to follow health and safety rules.

    What you might be able to ask them to do (if you have another baby and send him or her there) is only mix up a smaller bottle. For example, if they usually give a baby 4 ounces, you could ask if they could give your baby two ounces and then if s/he finishes it give one or two more ounces.

  27. a wrote:

    Ken: that was an amazing link. I am wondering if the author also believes in blood letting.

  28. Liana wrote:

    @Ken: You’re kidding about their wanting to bring that speaker, right? Please tell me you are kidding?!

    @SuperAmanda: The “overflow” bottle turned out to be a great solution.

    Clean momma: Hmmm, never seen those babies harmed by the major health hazard of ingesting their own mouth flora (bacteria) from their nipples during my years since I became a pediatrician (1991). So you’re saying that their own mouth bacteria will somehow go from a colonizer to infectious agent in 30 minutes of time in a nipple? I’m gonna need to see the data on that.

    Andrea: “meh,” huh? OK. I get your point, but I tend to be data driven. Do I know from studies/research that manipulating infants and toddlers is as “safe” (safe is always a relative term) as manipulations in an adult? And the plural of anecdotes is not data. There are also parents who don’t use car seats, feed 3 week olds chewed meat, or think that bike helmets are for sissies. As a babydoc, I respect their right to parent as they see fit, but I wouldn’t feel comfortable saying to other patients, “Well I have some parents who don’t use car seats and their kids are fine, so it’s really a personal thing.” They can get that type of opinion from a friend or a reporter in a newspaper, but when it comes to the safety of kids, I feel that it is important to speak from a position of data/evidence.

    But in any event, no parent requested the chiropracty talk and no parent wanted to hear about antivax ideology (according to the center director). And the center director did not want her to go into the antivax issue because if you attend our center, you must be vaccinated. No exemptions. Again, we’re just talking about our center affiliated with our large vaccine developing/manufacturing company.

    Please tell me that you don’t have an issue with my correcting them about the country of Africa?! ;-) No “meh” on this one, I hope!

    @Montclair Mommy: Did you mean me when you wrote “Beth?” If so, I’m glad you liked it. And with regard to the child of color being followed, I haven’t seen that so often, but the one time recently that I sent my dear husband with Zara to Gymboree, he almost got into a fight with a mother of a little boy who he felt was “stalking” Zara.

    I had to tell him, if you are about to get into it in the middle of Gymboree, it’s time to step outside and get some air! :)

  29. Kate wrote:

    Montclair mommy- that has happened to me and my daughter at playgrounds where there are lots of white kids.
    My daughter is three, and she is funny, smart, fearless, and LOVES to play with older kids, so she mostly gets alot of positive attention at the playground. She has 7 and 8 year olds who always get excited to see her and run up to her wanting to play.

    I think most young white kids who are very “interested” in kids who aren’t white are really just that- interested and curious. They are getting to an age where they start noticing differences and similarities, but as that article from newsweek talked about, a majority of white parents do not talk to their children about race, and stifle children’s questions and comments about race.

    I have had several playground questions that led to brief conversations with young kids (mostly white, but not always) about me and my daughter’s race, and I think it’s important that kids talk about race, becuase if you can’t talk about race, you can’t talk about racism, and if you can’t talk about racism, you can’t talk about anti-racism.

    That said, if older white kids are antagonizing your kid I would do exactly what you’re doing, except try to say it loud enough for their parents to hear (then maybe you can give the parents “the look” too). If they keep bothering your son, I’d just move to another part of the playground (or avoid that playground).

  30. Kristen wrote:

    I’m quite sure I’m an AP, too. Can we start a coalition? Join forces and become a team of superhero AP’s? I’ve got a cape and I’m ready to go. :)

  31. Liana wrote:

    @Heather: it isn’t a big deal but you used the wrong word. The word is jibe and not jive. Here’s the link: jibe

    @Katie: As a pediatrician, I’m still trying to understand the major health hazard posed by the baby’s own mouth flora. These benign bacteria live in the mouth and the growth that happens in 30 minutes would not and should not turn these simple colonizing flora into true pathogens able to do harm. And, in face, never in my pediatric experience have I seen an injury to a baby as you and Clean Momma have described, (and believe me, I have seen all kinds of bottles left out, nipples rinsed in mother mouth, and assorted nasty stuff.) I’ve also not see studies confirming the potential for harm (meaning exponential growth of bacterial colonies over short periods of time). I’d be more concerned about spoilage of the milk (which while it can cause some upset stomach/diarrhea) is not a major health hazard than a baby getting a major infection from its own mouth bacteria.

    But yes, I digress from the AP point. :)

    @Kristen: I agree. We should start a coalition!

  32. Deesha wrote:

    Heather, I believe the word you’re looking for is “jibe.”

  33. Julia wrote:

    Liana,
    I agree that the milk thing does not make much sense, but it’s something that I’ve heard, too, and my impression (not scientific) is that many states impose regulations about this on daycare centers. Maybe it’s a liability thing?

    As a first-time mom, I was absolutely paranoid about such things for about the first three weeks, and then I became an exhausted first-time mom and it all went to the dogs. My son did not appear to suffer any ill effects. :)

  34. Katie wrote:

    Yeah, I don’t really know what (or if there is any) basis they don’t allow reusing bottles. As a pediatrician, you are obviously more knowledgeable about whether there is an actual health risk. But it is definitely against health code rules. I was told it was because of the bacteria, not just from the baby, but also the bacteria in the air that starts to multiply once the formula is mixed up. I don’t know how true that is either, but again just what I heard.

    Also, when parents would bring large amounts of food that had to be refridgerated in a tupperware container, we would take part of it out for lunch, using a clean spoon, put it into a seperate bowl to heat it up, and refridgerate the rest. Sometimes parents would ask if they could just leave the lunch there for tomorrow, but we would have to say no, because of the health rules, but parents could bring it home, put it in their own refrigerator, and bring it back for lunch the next day.

    Basically my point is, some of the health regulations defy common sense and science, but for a center to stay licensed they have to follow all the rules.

    Also, a few legitimate concerns a year is not really that annoying (I think).

  35. Andrea wrote:

    No, Liana, I don’t object to your objections about the “country of Africa,” though I don’t know that preschool is a time for an in-depth geography lesson, either.

    I couldn’t help but think that life might get interesting at your daycare if there happens to be another “that parent” with a kid there who happens to hold views diametrically opposed to yours. That wouldn’t be much fun for the preschool staff. As far as the formula goes, I have to side with the daycare staff, as illogical as it seems to you as a pediatrician. The health department here has similar regulations for facilities with young children. No one ever said the government was logical.

  36. Liana wrote:

    @Julia & @Katie: I get that the regs are often more about “what ifs” and CYA more than scientific accuracy. But I’m such an empiricist that it is sometimes hard for me to follow nonscientific regs when it means wasting that expensive formula. However, the overflow bottle resolution turned out just fine for everyone.

    @Andrea: Guess I would consider teaching the capital of Botswana to be something at higher than a preschool level, but the difference between and country and a continent for the person teaching the music class? Well, maybe it is the high-achieving West Indian in me, but that doesn’t seem to be so much to ask.

    And I’m really not getting your point about what would happen if there was another parent with views diametrically opposed to mine and the trouble that would cause. If another parent didn’t care about wasted formula, no big deal. If another parent wanted a session on cupping, candling, homeopathy or advanced reiki for infants and toddlers, have at it. Though if the other parents ask me to attend for pediatric balance, I’ll go, keeping my mouth shut unless dangerous assertions are made. (Sorry, but I cannot help be an advocate for kids…it’s why I went into peds in the first place).

    Yet if another parent wants to insist that there is a country of Africa with little brown half-naked people running around in the jungle with spears and bones through their noses, again, no drama. I’m an empiricist: prove it.

    Other than that, I’m a follower of Voltaire. I garde mes onions. (My French writing is rusty, so forgive me.)

    Uh oh. Water heater broke. Must run!

  37. ThatDeborahGirl wrote:

    You’re right…an Annoying Parents job is never done.

    This is a bit off topic – mainly because my daughter is a the other end of the spectrum. But she’s 17 and her school wants to implement drug testing for kids in all extracurriculars. It started with sports – I guess for steroids. But now they want to test the band and drama club (she’s in both).

    I’m very angry and disgusted and am tying on my cape. I wish I knew what to do first.

  38. Heather wrote:

    @ Liana & Deesha
    Thanks. I never thought to even question the pronunciation (even my teachers wrote/said it as “jive”) until writing that note.

  39. Heather wrote:

    Liana – sorry, I missed your earlier comment. I scrolled through three times before I saw it.

    Well, for one, I didn’t say anything about pitchforks and torches.
    Two, I guess I don’t understand what her being anti vaccine has to do with anything..? Why did it even need to be mentioned in this article except to further the idea that “isn’t she/that weird”?
    The point of this article, seemingly, is about being an “Annoying Parent”. Something I think most of us have been from time to time. The highlight was “a professional” coming in to talk about healthy choices in toddlerhood. That’s it, that’s all. I can’t help but think that if it had been a more ‘legitimate’ professional, a pediatrician like you for instance, their personal beliefs would not have been investigated or even mentioned.
    Having her merely present in front of your children is absolutely nothing like, “my bringing a giant smoked pig to a Muslim picnic”. In all honesty, it’s more like my attending an LDS baptism (as someone who is really, really non-LDS) and then be invited to their holiday dinner and [as a breastfeeding counselor] talk about breastfeeding to some new moms having trouble.
    My religious affiliation was known by some, but never even called into question, let alone mentioned or used to discredit me. I was treated with respect, rather than having people sit around and “see” if I was going to screw up by talking about my personal beliefs.

    It’s easy to say, “No that’s not true!” but honestly, I don’t see any valid reason for that aspect of her personal beliefs to even be brought up. It had absolutely nothing to do with this post, your point, her talks or… well, anything.
    It just seemed like a weird and needless slam to “those people”; othering because you don’t agree with their beliefs. The language wasn’t exactly welcoming once you “found out”. I get that to you, her beliefs are the equivalent of “the world is flat”… and that’s cool. But this isn’t your personal blog.
    And I don’t get what that part was doing here… instead of there. Why are you venting about her “burning ridiculosity” here? What does that have to do with raising children with an anti-racist outlook?

  40. Andrea wrote:

    Liana, I was talking about the whole idea of a “that parent” in general. It’s good that you’re being pretty laid back, but there are situations where teachers and daycare providers have to deal with several “annoying parents” with different views, which I know can be a major pain from overhearing teacher lounge talk when I was a kid. My mom was a teacher so I heard a lot of shop talk and I now cover education for my newspaper so I still deal with the subject.

    It was common practice back then for the principal and teachers to document every request and every move made regarding the child of the “that parent” as protection against lawsuits.

    The school board here just passed a new policy to try to contain the requests of some local parents who had requested that the school district supply an on-site aide in the classroom at all times to be on hand in case the diabetic or other medically fragile child in the classroom had an emergency. They don’t have the resources to do that and are going to follow all recommendations made by the city’s health department regarding those children instead. I’m sure the parents of the medically fragile children would be able to give me a story about why the school district should pony up that money and why it’s good to be an advocate for their kids, but the district’s case is that they have one school nurse to cover 11 elementaries and it’s just not possible. It’s great to stand up for your kids, but I think on occasion some parents may go a little too far, as in that case. But that doesn’t have anything to do with teaching preschoolers the difference between a continent and a country, which I agree is a great idea.

  41. Sharon wrote:

    As the mother of two children adopted from the beautiful country of Ethiopia, all I can say is THANK YOU.

  42. Julia wrote:

    @ Andrea
    Liana hardly suggested “an in-depth geography lesson.” Rather, she insisted that the school not peddle misinformation. Further, distinguishing the concepts of country and continent is a very age-appropriate activity for pre-schoolers.

    As for this: “I couldn’t help but think that life might get interesting at your daycare if there happens to be another “that parent” with a kid there who happens to hold views diametrically opposed to yours,” I have this to say: All parents get to advocate for their kids. Period. It is the parent’s responsibility to protect her child, not to protect the teachers and administrators from discomfort. And, as a former teacher, I can say that teachers and school administrators are well aware that “annoying parents” come with the territory and accept that as part of their job. I hope you’re not suggesting that the comfort of the preschool staff should be of higher concern to a parent than their child’s well-being? (note: you don’t have to answer that)

  43. Liana wrote:

    Heather: I’m not going to keep up this derail for the sake of others. If you want to continue this after my reply here, let’s do so offline please.

    I’m sorry that you can’t see the irony and oddity in bringing an antivax chiropractor to speak to a vaccine developer/manufacturer’s company daycare center, but other’s did get the irony.

    Also religion is based on belief and faith. Vaccination is based on science. Granted there are those who don’t agree with or believe the science, but the scientific method can apply to public health and infectious disease control methods, when it cannot apply to issues of faith. They are not equivalent.

    And you misunderstand, again. This was written in my personal blog and was crossposted here by the ARP editors. It was a near-direct pull from my blog (minus the map of Africa and the silly X-Men episode video).

    Your disagreement with my perspective and thesis is noted. Yet I do see that you continue to overstate. Nowhere did I vent about her “burning ridiculosity.” But it is clear to see that this issue is in some way triggering for you, thus the aggrandizement of my words. Again, your dissent is noted.

    AP away! :)

  44. Nicole wrote:

    I know what this teacher is getting this year as a gift….”Africa is Not a Country” by M.B. Knight!

    Good job ‘Annoying Parent’!

  45. Kristen wrote:

    Heather, it seems like you are being a bit combative. Discovering that a chiropractor is anti-vax has nothing to do with slamming personal beliefs. It’s completely relevant and would be off-putting to many parents. When you are in a health care industry and state your aversion to vaccines on your professional website, you are no longing dealing with someone’s personal beliefs, but rather with a professional agenda.

  46. Honeysmoke wrote:

    I think a better title would be Caring Parent. If you don’t stick up for your child, who will?

  47. Anonymous wrote:

    On behalf of all Kenyans. Thank you!

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